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Great picture Stephen. Imagine an actual 2 train meet at Moffat ! When is the last time that happened ? Is there a “train dispatcher” who set up the meet ? Very pleased to hear that OSR has generously donated van 4900, where it will be properly looked after and on display for generations to come. Question , are those 2 cars in front of the van 4900 air-operated dump cars which used to sit at Guelph Jct. ? I believe they are friction bearing cars and are not allowed on either CP or CN Rail. Why are they being taken back to Guelph ? Thanks for site for GRHA, will be joining. Thanks for posting picture, John
The air dumps were sent by truck to Salford not long after this was taken from the jct as they are southbound in this pic.
GJR is rule 105 the crews work out meets in advance based on timing. I heard the chatter on radio and had only a few mins heads up to get in position during a chase.
Not sure how often meets happen there.
I didn’t know the GJR justified two trains. I thought one (582) would run up to Gueplh then turn back to the Jct (583). Also, the van is going South? So it’s been in Gueplph along? Where is it being restored?
Yes, it does Brad. GJR started running two trains regularly in 2015. Been running two trains for over a year now.
The van was part of the plan to move it over CN to Salford, but CN would not move it. OSR decided instead to donate it.
It’ll be restored in Guelph with the rest of our equipment.
Originally 4900 came from a group of Angus-built riveted center cupola vans made in the early-mid 1950′s and numbered in the 437400-437500-series. There’s still a few around at museums and such, but all gone from CP.
That group of CP vans changed numbers quite a bit over their lives, as CP renumbered many based on run-through pools, assigned service cars, or special subgroups. The final important iterations include 14 that became 434200′s for coal service out west, and a bunch were rebuilt as 434100-45 & 434151-64 in the late 60′s/early 70′s, the latter group becoming 434900′s in the late 70′s for run-through international service out east (think CP’s lines in Montreal, Maine, VT, etc) (including 4900, that went CP 437492 > 438546 > 438809 > 438317 > 434157 > 434900 > OSR 4900).
There’s a CP caboose book out by Manny Jacob that goes into detail about a lot of this for those interested.
And John, I’d hazard a guess a Moffat meet was happening about twice or four times a month in that time period. Not often but they were usually meeting a couple times a week *somewhere*.
they met everywhere – sidings, the wye, yard tracks (lower yard) and even rarer: at the end of track in the north end or at the interchange. Classic siding meets would have only been at Arkell or Moffat though as in this picture.
.. and didn’t matter if OSR or GEXR – the meets happened. I have shot both meets for both ‘railways’ in most places.
I’m guessing the crew of 582 on the main lined the switch for 583 for the siding. Would that be correct?
2117 north took the siding yeah and had switches lined for the southbound with caboose to breeze through.